Hej,
Finska flygvapnet köpte 18 Fouga CM.170 Magister och sedan byggde Valmet 62 exemplar på licens.
På ett annat forum så har en diskussion uppstått hurvida Valmet verkligen byggde dessa från scratch eller mer eller mindre bara monterade ihop dem.
Någon som har information i frågan?
Denna länk hittade jag men söker en lite tydligare källa.
http://www.museo24.fi/?action=INavigati ... %282720%29
mvh
Roger
Valmet Fouga CM.170 Magister
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Bengt Ekbladh
Re: Valmet Fouga CM.170 Magister
Hej.
Suomen Ilmavoimien Lentokoneet 1939-72 // Kalevi Keskinen säger::
1958 köpte Finland 8 plan och 1959 10 till från Frankrike.
1958-1967 ””62 aircraft were built under licences in Finland.”””
Koderna var FM-1—18 för det direktköpta och FM-21—82 för de andra.
>>In 1958-1959, Finland purchased 18 Fouga Magisters from France. At the same time they also obtained a manufacturing license. The Finnish aircraft manufacturer Valmet later built 62 Fouga aircraft between 1958–67. The French built aircraft carried the designations FM-1...-18 and the Finnish built FM-21...-82. The aircraft served as a jet trainer in the Finnish Air Force between 1958–1988 until superseded by BAe Hawks.>>
Men vi skall kanske vänta på vad våra Finska vänner har att säga om saken.
Mvh Bengt
Suomen Ilmavoimien Lentokoneet 1939-72 // Kalevi Keskinen säger::
1958 köpte Finland 8 plan och 1959 10 till från Frankrike.
1958-1967 ””62 aircraft were built under licences in Finland.”””
Koderna var FM-1—18 för det direktköpta och FM-21—82 för de andra.
>>In 1958-1959, Finland purchased 18 Fouga Magisters from France. At the same time they also obtained a manufacturing license. The Finnish aircraft manufacturer Valmet later built 62 Fouga aircraft between 1958–67. The French built aircraft carried the designations FM-1...-18 and the Finnish built FM-21...-82. The aircraft served as a jet trainer in the Finnish Air Force between 1958–1988 until superseded by BAe Hawks.>>
Men vi skall kanske vänta på vad våra Finska vänner har att säga om saken.
Mvh Bengt
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Bengt Ekbladh
Re: Valmet Fouga CM.170 Magister
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The aircraft industry moves to the jet plane era
As the result of the negotiations that were handled efficiently by Major-General Adolf Ehrnrooth, Finland bought the manufacturing licence of the French Fouga CM 170 Magister jet training plane. The Ministry of Defence and Valmet Oy signed a contract for manufacturing the planes in October 1958.
The manufacture of the Fouga Magister series in 1959 - 67 improved employment in Kuorevesi; new sheet metal workers and mechanics were trained. The 62 Fouga Magisters built in Finland increased the employee numbers to 250.
Halli airfield is rebuilt
The introduction of jet aircraft caused changes in the airfield of Kuorevesi. At the end of the 1950s, the airfield was hard enough but unsurfaced, which caused dust problems. The first jet plane to take off and land in Kuorevesi in the year 1956 was an English Vampire piloted by Viljo Salminen. Because of the shortness (1400m) of the field and the lack of surfacing, summer test flights had to be performed in Luonetjärvi.
In August 1959 Kuorevesi airfield was extended and coated with tarmac. After a few years the field was extended even more to 2,500 metres and it became the longest in Finland. The residential area of Vehkaoja was demolished to make space for the extension. The name of the field was changed from Kuorevesi to Halli in 1963.
Finland’s first test pilot course was held 1956 - 57
Test flight training was offered in Finland from the end of the 1950s. Up til then skills were acquired by doing and by watching more experienced pilots. Test pilot courses abroad were not an option due to financial reasons. The first course was held from 1May 1956 to 15 January 1957. The instructors were flight depot chief Vilppu Perkko and Esko Halme, Valmet Oy test pilot. The course participants were Veikko Hietamies, Viljo Salminen, Mauno Tiiro and Kalervo Tiitinen.
The aim of the course was to familiarise the participants with development, production and reception flights for the Air Force and the aircraft manufacturer. The Vihuri series and the prototype of the Tuuli III were currently in production, so propeller planes made up a large part of the curriculum despite the current transition to jet planes.
>>Magisters have been built under licence by Heinkel-Messerschmitt in Germany, Valmet OY in Finland and IAI in Israel.
Men vi skall kanske vänta på vad våra Finska vänner har att säga om saken.
The aircraft industry moves to the jet plane era
As the result of the negotiations that were handled efficiently by Major-General Adolf Ehrnrooth, Finland bought the manufacturing licence of the French Fouga CM 170 Magister jet training plane. The Ministry of Defence and Valmet Oy signed a contract for manufacturing the planes in October 1958.
The manufacture of the Fouga Magister series in 1959 - 67 improved employment in Kuorevesi; new sheet metal workers and mechanics were trained. The 62 Fouga Magisters built in Finland increased the employee numbers to 250.
Halli airfield is rebuilt
The introduction of jet aircraft caused changes in the airfield of Kuorevesi. At the end of the 1950s, the airfield was hard enough but unsurfaced, which caused dust problems. The first jet plane to take off and land in Kuorevesi in the year 1956 was an English Vampire piloted by Viljo Salminen. Because of the shortness (1400m) of the field and the lack of surfacing, summer test flights had to be performed in Luonetjärvi.
In August 1959 Kuorevesi airfield was extended and coated with tarmac. After a few years the field was extended even more to 2,500 metres and it became the longest in Finland. The residential area of Vehkaoja was demolished to make space for the extension. The name of the field was changed from Kuorevesi to Halli in 1963.
Finland’s first test pilot course was held 1956 - 57
Test flight training was offered in Finland from the end of the 1950s. Up til then skills were acquired by doing and by watching more experienced pilots. Test pilot courses abroad were not an option due to financial reasons. The first course was held from 1May 1956 to 15 January 1957. The instructors were flight depot chief Vilppu Perkko and Esko Halme, Valmet Oy test pilot. The course participants were Veikko Hietamies, Viljo Salminen, Mauno Tiiro and Kalervo Tiitinen.
The aim of the course was to familiarise the participants with development, production and reception flights for the Air Force and the aircraft manufacturer. The Vihuri series and the prototype of the Tuuli III were currently in production, so propeller planes made up a large part of the curriculum despite the current transition to jet planes.
>>Magisters have been built under licence by Heinkel-Messerschmitt in Germany, Valmet OY in Finland and IAI in Israel.
Men vi skall kanske vänta på vad våra Finska vänner har att säga om saken.
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Mikael Stenhöjd
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Re: Valmet Fouga CM.170 Magister
Som vanligt ligger sanningen i någonstans i mitten.
I boken "Fouga CM 170 Magister - in finnish Air Force" av Jyrki Laukkanen (Apali 2005, ISBN 952-5026-48-5) så står det på sidan 44 på engelska (och finska)
"Initially the production was divided between Valmet Tampere and Kuorevesi factories. Wings and fuselage were built at Tampere. Nose sections, tails, ailerons and flaps were built at Kuorevesi. The final assembly and test flying was done at Kuorevesi, because Tampere-Härmälä airfield was not suitable for jet operations. In 1963 almost all production work was transfered to Kuorevesi. Only some minor parts were made at Tampere.
The five first license built aircraft, FM-21─25, were assembled from components shipped from France and Germany. Beginning with FM-26 all aircraft were made of Finnish built components. Only wing leading eadges, cockpit canopies and air intakes were imported"
Alltså byggdes vissa flygplan med helt importerade delar. Andra (de flesta) till största delen från scratch, med enbart vissa delar importerade.
I boken "Fouga CM 170 Magister - in finnish Air Force" av Jyrki Laukkanen (Apali 2005, ISBN 952-5026-48-5) så står det på sidan 44 på engelska (och finska)
"Initially the production was divided between Valmet Tampere and Kuorevesi factories. Wings and fuselage were built at Tampere. Nose sections, tails, ailerons and flaps were built at Kuorevesi. The final assembly and test flying was done at Kuorevesi, because Tampere-Härmälä airfield was not suitable for jet operations. In 1963 almost all production work was transfered to Kuorevesi. Only some minor parts were made at Tampere.
The five first license built aircraft, FM-21─25, were assembled from components shipped from France and Germany. Beginning with FM-26 all aircraft were made of Finnish built components. Only wing leading eadges, cockpit canopies and air intakes were imported"
Alltså byggdes vissa flygplan med helt importerade delar. Andra (de flesta) till största delen från scratch, med enbart vissa delar importerade.
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Bengt Ekbladh
Re: Valmet Fouga CM.170 Magister
Tack Mikael.
Man kan ju undra hur tillverkningen i Tyskland o Belgien
gick till i början ?
(vissa flygplan byggdes med helt importerade delar:?)
Kan det finnas någon likhet?
Bengt
Man kan ju undra hur tillverkningen i Tyskland o Belgien
gick till i början ?
(vissa flygplan byggdes med helt importerade delar:?)
Kan det finnas någon likhet?
Bengt